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Post by amandakaliner on Nov 18, 2015 20:04:03 GMT
It is clear that women in the Victorian era were seen as weak and incapable and fragile and should be passive and pure. In the packet, they said "women must be 'killed' into passivity in order for her to acquiesce.. her duty of self-abnegation." in "Madwoman in the Attic" as well as in "Jane Eyre", and especially in "The Yellow Wallpaper", we can see several examples where the women decide to let themselves be passive and go along with what the men said or to do the opposite.
Clearly, Jane Eyre never pretends to be fragile and go along with men. When she leaves Rochester and then St. John, she is disobeying both of their orders to follow what she thinks is the right decision. Bertha Mason's descent into madness is her way of not going out without a fight.
In "The Yellow Wallpaper", however, the narrator goes along with whatever her husband, John, tells her to do without question. It doesn't see fit to her to argue with him and instead is passive and weak even when she knows that she's slowly going mad with the treatment John is trying on her.
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Post by rileymcgrath on Nov 20, 2015 20:49:20 GMT
Good points Amanda. I think Jane had a very strong sense of identity, which helped her know what she wanted. Bertha never developed this identity because of her traumatic childhood. The narrator in "The Yellow Wallpaper" also did not have this strong identity because she was in such a fragile mental state. The Narrator and Bertha were unable to stand up for themselves like Jane because of their lack of identity and control. I think that is why they went out without a fight.
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Post by Teresa Dinh on Nov 21, 2015 18:52:41 GMT
I agree with the idea that Jane fought back and the narrator of TYW was too complying, but I think that Bertha also was a character who at least tried to fight back. For instance, she attacked Rochester a few times, which shows that she was trying to do something about her situation. Her attempts may have been unsuccessful, but that does not make her passive. She never complied to Rochester; rather, she fought against him and failed.
Also, I think it's worthwhile to mention that Blanc Ingram was another woman who fit into the stereotypical passionless woman of the 19th century. Her ambition was to marry Rochester for his wealth, not because she was in love with him. She lacked true passion, whereas Jane was very emotional and heartfelt about her goals, feelings, and marriage.
If Rochester had chosen to marry Blanc Ingram, how do you think she would have reacted to the revelation of Bertha? Would she still marry him?
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Post by owenleber on Nov 21, 2015 22:01:29 GMT
I especially like Teresa's analysis of Bertha as being someone who tried to change her situation, but failed. I think it shows the power that men had over women in that time period. As in The Yellow Wallpaper, John had so much influence over Antoinette that she didn't question his treatment of being locked away for three months. Even as she knew she was going mad, she still did not say anything about it to him; thats how influential he was to her.
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