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Post by maxstauff on Nov 18, 2015 23:09:44 GMT
A part of what was touched in the article was the conflict over women's freedom and their conformity. In Jane Eyre and Wide Sargasso Sea, a big part of the novel is centered around various, extreme views that people at the time thought a women should be, when the book was written. In the article, it makes mentions of two specific examples, two sides of a coin, the angel and the monster. The angel representing society's view on what women should be at all times - selfless, meek, dainty, pure - and the monster showing the horrendous examples of what happens when a women gives in to passion, selfishness, even intellectualism. Now the angel side is really conformity in what society views a women should be - while the monster is just a way of expressing the general dislike of those sides of a women. Bertha, Rochester's ex-wife, is given as an example of the monster side, she does not give in to society - while being solely selfish and wildly passionate. Now in the novel - Bertha is hidden away by Rochester - an interesting plot point that really symbolizes how men at the time wanted to hide away those sides of a women, the sides that do not conform to society, what happens when a women doesn't want to be an angel, or when a women who has a mental disability is hidden from the rest of society. Now in Wide Sargasso Sea, it is made clear that the side of Bertha that comes to haunt the plot of Jane Eyre, is really because of how she was treated. Perhaps in this sense, the author is suggesting that it is the pressure to conform to society that really hurts Women the most. In Jane Eyre, Jane doesn't necessarily conform - she still retains some of the passionate side's charateristics, but instead she really keeps a balance on what she needs to do - she attains freedom from some of the societal norms at the time - which really is Bronte's way of saying and advocating for feminism - showing how a women can still possess different characteristics from an angel, and still not turn into the kind of monster that Bertha did. Now perhaps Jane wasn't pushed as hard by societal demands as Bertha was, but that point only stands to show just how much harm is done when conformity is forced upon women. Is easing the societal on pressures what Charlotte Bronte was trying to say? Could she possibly be advocating for more than just more freedom in general for women at the time?
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Post by tatummcp on Nov 21, 2015 16:55:51 GMT
I think this novel is very important because it does help to advocate for women's rights and equality but in a sense it could also try explain the need to ease societal pressures. We have talked a lot about why this is showing why you should not and can not place women into one category or the other so I will not harp on that any more, but I definitely think Bronte could be advocating for more than just freedom in general for women. In a sense it could possibly be that Bronte is trying to prove that you we should ease societal pressures in general, not just on women but on men as well. Since we have looked at this novel as extremely feministic I think we have a very narrow view that Bronte only wanted to help women, but I do think she could be advocating for men in a sense too. St. John, whether it be because of religion or society's pressure, just wanted to marry Jane because she would be the ideal woman and a "trophy" wife. I could be stretching, but I think the fact that men were forced to like and marry a certain type of women could be Bronte's way of saying that not only should we not categorize women, we also should not expect men to only want to marry the so called "angel." Would you agree?
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Post by ronaldrajan on Nov 22, 2015 3:07:13 GMT
Tatum this a new approach to this topic and I completely agree to what you are saying. I think that Bronte was trying to also advocate for men to be able to marry who ever they want without being judged by it. This can also be seen in "Wild Sargasso Sea" because Bertha and Rochester were only married so that they could be wealthy and proper together, but this worked out very poorly for both of them (mostly Bertha). Also, St. John would have been happy if he had married Rosamund Oliver, but again he felt pressured by society not to marry a flirtatious woman and to instead marry Jane.
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Post by g00dva1b5 on Nov 22, 2015 3:31:41 GMT
What an interesting point Tatum! Now that you mention it, it seems that Charlotte Bronte was not only writing for the rights of women, but also writing for the rights of men, as well. I think this is evident with the character of Blanche Ingram, who is pure, cold, and a real snob who only plans to marry Mr. Rochester for his money. By using her as a foil to Jane Eyre, Bronte is not only showing that women of Blanche Ingram's sort do not lead to eventual happy lives, but she is also showing that rich, powerful men like Mr. Rochester can be happy with less attractive and more powerful women like Jane.
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Post by lreinhardt230 on Nov 22, 2015 14:43:16 GMT
I honestly believe that Charolette Bronte was righting about how society was oppressive to women mostly though, because Ingram was just doing what society told her to. It was normal for a wealthy woman to marry a wealthy man, and disregard love. That is why Bronte says it isn't fair for women in this time period because they are oppressed and have to be married into a relationship with no real say.
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