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Post by ashen99 on Sept 20, 2015 20:56:11 GMT
In "The Interlopers", there is a very surprising element of situational irony involved in the story. Basically, two enemies both become trapped under a tree. They then let go of their hatred and decide to be friends and forget their disputes. At one point, it looks as though they will both be saved. However, in a cruel twist of fate, they notice wolves coming down the hill, presumably to eat them alive. It is very obvious to the reader that what occurs is the opposite of the expectations of the readers. At first, it seems as though the two friends will both be rescued because of their willingness to let go of their hatred for each other. That in itself would send a rather powerful message of the importance of reconciliation and the pointlessness of hostility. Of course, that doesn't happen, and the readers are left with the thought that the whole conversation was useless since they will both be killed.
Clearly, Saki was trying to send another message using this technique as he very easily could have ended with both men living "happily ever after" as two good friends. Instead, Saki could be sending a message of how deadly hatred could be. It was both of the men’s' hatred that caused them to be out in the forest late at night in order to hunt the other down. Even though they do let go of their grievances, this whole situation of them being trapped under a tree occurred only because of each of the men’s initial hostility. In addition, the original animosity between the two started because of a quarrel between their ancestors, which means they weren't even involved in the original dispute. That means the fight between Georg and Ulrich is purely personal, not even rooted in any injustice. Saki is probably trying to get the readers to think about the consequences of hatred, even if it does become resolved.
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Post by joshualiu on Sept 22, 2015 17:12:57 GMT
Alan! I agree with you, I loved your situational irony example in "The Interlopers." I noticed another example of irony, more specifically, verbal irony, as well in the title. At first glance, Saki supposedly named the short story "The Interlopers," due to the quarrel between Georg and Ulrich, who each claimed that the other was intruding on his land. Appropriately, interloper means intruder. However, Saki's true intention for the story's name was associated with the wolves. At the end of the story, the two men are approached by wolves, who are intruding on their land. The men made peace and were about to be good friends, but the wolves intervened and likely killed the men. It's apparent that "The Interlopers" is referring to the wolves, not the men's quarrel.
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Post by anewman98 on Sept 23, 2015 20:19:14 GMT
Alan - I liked your point about the irony in the wolves showing up just as Georg and Ulrich are about to become friends. It is ironic that they are fighting in the first place, since they are battling over a mere family feud. The two men have nothing personal with each other. It is ironic how they have the perfect opportunity to fight and nothing happens. The opposite occurs and they there stand staring, waiting for something to happen. Nature steps in and battles them both by pinning them down. When they decide to become friends, it is too late. I think this irony shows the point that there are no real happy endings. If one man won, at least they would have their happy ending. In the contrary, even after resolving a multi-generation long grudge, a potential happy ending is shattered by nature.
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Post by reshmabelur on Sept 23, 2015 22:45:49 GMT
Alan, I agree with your opinions about situational irony in The Interlopers. Situational irony is also prevalent in the play Oedipus the King. It is ironic when Oedipus calls for the death of the one who killed Laius and brought the curse onto Thebes initially when he is approached with concerns about the tumult in the region. When he is first informed by Tiresias of the reason for the misfortune in Thebes, he refuses to accept that it is his fault and mocks the seer for his blindness. However, it is Tiresias who can see beyond what can be observed and Oedipus who does not accept what is told to him. Also, the messenger who comes to Thebes to notify Oedipus of his adopted father's death believes that he is bringing good news when he is actually revealing truth of the prophecy to Oedipus instead. By telling Oedipus that Polybus was not actually his father, it reopens the possibility of him being the son of Laius and being the reason for the curse.
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Post by oliviamccubbins on Sept 24, 2015 20:34:26 GMT
Reshma to expand on the irony in Oedipus, there is dramatic irony in the fact that Antigens was written first so the reader knows what tragedies will occur throughout the story of Oedipus the King. This is another type of irony that occurs in the story.
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Post by emilywerkheiser on Sept 24, 2015 23:19:20 GMT
Alan, I like your comment about how through the use of situational irony, Saki may be trying to convey a message about the consequences of hatred. Similarly, I think that the use of situational irony in “The Interlopers” functions to show how tragedy can bring about the realization of what is truly important in life and the worthlessness/pointlessness of holding petty grudges. Another example of situational irony in this short story that helps to support this idea appears after Znaeym and Ulrich are pinned beneath the fallen tree, trash talking each other about whose men will find them first. The irony appears when Ulrich asks his nemesis, Znaeym, “Could you reach this flask if I threw it over to you?”, and continues throughout the rest of their conversation, like when Ulrich states, “Neighbor, do as you please if your men come first… But as for me, I’ve changed my mind. If my men are the first to come you shall be the first to be helped, as though you were my guest.” Before this moment, the two men had spoken to each other with fierce bitterness, proclaiming how if their men were the first to arrive, they would ruthlessly kill the other. Resultantly, the reader understands how deep the hatred between Ulrich and Zneaym really is, and expects the men to continue treating each other with the same harshness as they had done previously. Therefore, this gesture of kindness or peace offering is surprising and catches the reader off guard, making it an example of situational irony. As stated previously, this employment of situational irony demonstrates how drastically the tragedy of the tree falling affects the men who have such a deep-seated hatred for one another, and furthermore supports the potential theme that tragic events can induce one to set aside a petty disagreement.
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Post by sfarmand on Sept 25, 2015 0:59:38 GMT
Alan and Emily, I agree with your points about how Saki is using irony to highlight the permanent impact that hatred and animosity have. To expand on your points, I think a slightly alternative reading might suggest that Saki is trying to make a statement about the universal decisiveness of death and nature by using situational irony. Throughout the story, Saki builds and builds suspense. At first glance, one might assume that the climax comes at the moment that Znaeym and Ulrich are pointing their guns at each other and the tree falls on them, but through word choice like George being "unstrung with hideous fear" and Ulrich's "joyful cry", we can see that the story has an unconventional plot arc, with the falling action and denouement both coming at the literal last word. Of course, the ending is very ironic. Saki builds a sense of sympathy for both Znaeym and Ulrich when the tree falls on them, and the reader expects them to reconcile and become friends. However, before this can happen, they are presumably eaten by wolves. Clearly, Saki is trying to convey to us a message by drawing attention, through situational irony, to the ending of the story. When I read the last word, I felt not only surprise but also disappointment. Perhaps Saki wanted the reader to feel disappointed. It's as if the entire reading of the passage was pointless. Saki built all the suspense and emotion; he developed the characters and setting; he allowed the readers to empathize with the characters, only to have them eaten by wolves at the end. This may be a bit of a stretch, but maybe Saki is trying to convey a sense of nihilism through the ironic death of Znaeym and Ulrich. The finality of their presumed death is so impactful on the reader, it serves to say that it wouldn't have made a difference if they had reconciled or not; they would have been eaten by wolves either way. By bringing in many different types of conflicts throughout the story, Saki effectively states that all conflicts, along with life in general, is meaningless. Saki most obviously utilizes 'man v man' conflict in the story (Znaeym v Ulrich), but he also uses the other 'Big Four' conflicts: 'man v self' (Ulrich and Znaeym coming to the decision of reconciliation), 'man v nature' (the tree falling on them), 'man v society' (the difference in social class of Znaeym and Ulrich). By using all of these diverse types of conflict and emotions, Saki essentially shoots multiple birds with one stone. He refutes the meaning and purpose of all aspects of life through the ironic death of the two characters. Essentially, "nothing really matters". Although the nihilistic outlook is a depressing one, Saki makes a good case for it in "The Interlopers" by having an ending that seems to deny purpose to any aspect of this passage and life in general.
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Post by carlsonchris on Sept 25, 2015 2:44:47 GMT
Alan, I think your take on Saki's use of situational irony interesting. I like how you connected it to a possible theme being hatred always has consequences. A further way to think about it is that Saki may be telling us that none of the possessions we hold dear really matter. Both families spent countless years fighting over a piece of land and when they finally set aside their differences that piece of land gets them both potentially killed. In that scenario the situational irony is almost omnipresent in a sense. It adds a sense of futility to the whole story.
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Post by emsykes on Sept 25, 2015 14:08:25 GMT
Alan- I agree that there is a great amount of situational irony in te Interlopers. It is pretty clear that these two enemies who get trapped under a tree together actually have a lot in common. They are both stubborn and independent. Although, both of these qualities in each of the men change with a switch in the situation. Thus, situational irony is present. The men are no longer stubborn under the tree. They actually offer wine to each other. Also, the men are now very dependent on who will come to save them. In the end, I even believe the title has situational irony in it. The "interlopers" could mean the men on eachothers property, or it could mean the men going into the woods, onto the Wolves' property.
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